Behind the Chair and the Mic: Kyrk the Kreator's Creative Odyssey
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, you are now tuned in and watching unqualified qualification. It's me. It's me as your host, comedian V Mack. And today, I'm with Kyrk.
Speaker 1:Tell them about yourself, Kyrk. Tell everybody hello. How you doing? What's life like?
Speaker 2:Hey, everyone. How y'all doing? Glad to be here. Thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. So Kirk is a owner operator of a of a barbershop slash beauty salon. He has a lot going on in that place. And he's an artist. He's a musical artist as well.
Speaker 1:He has a group. Your group is called?
Speaker 2:It's a duo.
Speaker 1:It's a duo. It's a group.
Speaker 2:Called Royalty.
Speaker 1:Royalty. And how long you've been with Royalty?
Speaker 2:We've been surfing for about four years as Royalty. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:What was your name previous?
Speaker 2:The Turnip Kings. The Turnip Kings.
Speaker 1:I don't see you being the turnip one. So I
Speaker 2:don't know how y'all get the turnip kings. Oh, trust me.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You should tear it up.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you are you you're not originally from The States. Correct?
Speaker 2:No. No. No. Born and raised where? Raised in King in Portmore.
Speaker 2:Oh. Travel a lot in Kingston. That's why I was just it's easier for people to identify with Kingston and Portmore.
Speaker 1:And how long you were there before you came stateside?
Speaker 2:Officially or just back and forth? We're talking about with papers. Yes. But then did you get your legal stuff over here? Legally since I was about 12.
Speaker 1:Okay. Since you was about 12. So you basically did your early learning of life there. Your adolescence was basically there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And is that where you got into music and stuff?
Speaker 2:No. Since I was like five, they said that I was my mom used to say, used to always mimic Michael Jackson. So I guess I was doing something around that time.
Speaker 1:So you was a Michael Jackson fan and you don't remember this? You blocked it out of your mind? Yeah. Yeah. You ain't supposed to block Mike out.
Speaker 1:I had to throw the jacket. I remember that. You're supposed to remember everything that got to do with Mike.
Speaker 2:Well, we are members only jackets.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah.
Speaker 2:Was the only thing you could afford. Pop the snaps. Open. Open the zip. I'm sexy with
Speaker 1:my members only on here in Jamaica. Hot. Hot. This is yes. So did you play football?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Actually, my brother named me Pele. After the famous
Speaker 1:Brazilian. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I was a I was a monstrosity in soccer.
Speaker 1:So what made you start?
Speaker 2:Just, just like anything else I touch, I just try to perfect it and that was one of the things at us starting early. And then it just got, I won't say boring, it just didn't challenge me anymore.
Speaker 1:It didn't challenge you no more. So you moved on to music from that?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Actually, from about '13, '14, my brother heard me singing a Barry Simmons song in my room and he thought it was like somebody else kinda doing, let's call it a karaoke. And he was like, Was that you? And I was like, No. And he was just like, You lying, that was you, do it again.
Speaker 2:And I did it again and he invested a couple thousand dollars in my future and flew me back home to work with Sly and Robbie, Lookey D, Pinchas, all the big names to work on a project that he actually decided to catapult under his own label, 1A Productions.
Speaker 1:So were you writing at this time or you were just taking in music and singing it?
Speaker 2:I was learning how to write then. Yeah. So I did a lot of I guess nowadays they call them covers. So I did like Janet Jackson, That's the Way Love Goes, and another song that we recorded on the record. And then I end up writing a song called Come With Me.
Speaker 2:Co wrote a song called Come With Me.
Speaker 1:So how is the Jamaican music industry like, especially at that time, how it work? What was the interludes to it?
Speaker 2:It was good actually because I had the chance again, because my brother was so excited about what he has discovered, right? I was 14 at the time. And like I said, he introduced me to Slime Robbie. I stayed up countless nights just recording and watching recording happening. I got to work in Gaga Mill Studios, Buju Banta.
Speaker 2:I met Buju Banta in there.
Speaker 1:And how was that
Speaker 2:moment? Oh my God. Epic. Epic. Epic.
Speaker 2:I still have the autograph photo of Buju. That's dope. Yeah. The non dread Buju. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Baby Butcher.
Speaker 2:Yeah, baby Butcher. So yeah. And like I said, I was doing Stead Show, did my first concert back in The States and it was sold out at a Civic Center. Oh, weird. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I was like, don't nobody know me?
Speaker 1:But they came for you or you was on the card?
Speaker 2:No, I was that was me.
Speaker 1:Oh, they came for you? Yeah. Dope.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I was shocked. I was on the card.
Speaker 1:And what was your single at the time?
Speaker 2:Come With Me.
Speaker 1:Do you still have these recordings or are they like tucked away in the No,
Speaker 2:no, no, no. I still have the
Speaker 1:Has anybody heard them recently?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:You got the record?
Speaker 2:I have the original records. The first one that was pressed, I got it. Yeah. Tote. Of all three of them.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So then you did the music and you started to write. And then when you came to America, did you continue with your music or did you like fall back
Speaker 2:and become a kid? After about two, about a year into it, two years, I kind of call myself dating.
Speaker 1:At how old? 14, 15. You call yourself dating at Seriously dating. Seriously.
Speaker 2:Locked down.
Speaker 1:Going to the ice cream parlor and shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. You know? And so I kinda stepped away from it a little bit. He got pissed.
Speaker 2:My brother did get angry because he invested, I'm talking about some serious money, not 5,000, not 10,000, not 20,000. So I understood, but at the same time I was like, I don't really see it. I didn't see it at the time.
Speaker 1:What didn't you see?
Speaker 2:So I enjoyed doing the music, right? And I know what came along with it, but when it started coming, I was like, that's just too much for me.
Speaker 1:So what was it that came that pushed you away?
Speaker 2:The attention.
Speaker 1:Why you didn't Isn't that the whole purpose of being an artist is to get the attention?
Speaker 2:It's to be an artist for me. It's always been that for me. It's never been about the attention.
Speaker 1:Why?
Speaker 2:Because I enjoy doing it. And I like when people enjoy the music, not me.
Speaker 1:So you're more comfortable behind the scenes than in front? Yeah. Do you get the same feeling if somebody was to perform your song that you wrote or created as if you was to do it?
Speaker 2:That's fine with me.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Yeah. So from your dating at 14 with the ice cream power with the young ladies.
Speaker 2:Actually moved out with the with the young ladies.
Speaker 1:At 14 years old, was yeah.
Speaker 2:How old was she? 13. I moved in with that this
Speaker 1:We got time to hear about the I'm running away from home mom and I'm living with a 13 year old. And how long was y'all together in this home with the parents? They brought in the parent. Oh, it was a single family home. It was a it was a mother.
Speaker 1:And she said, we need a man in here.
Speaker 2:But she had a brother. But yeah.
Speaker 1:We need a real man. Need a 14 year old man in here to whole 15 at
Speaker 2:the time.
Speaker 1:Woah. You're moving up in the world. You're 15 now. You got a little hair on your chest.
Speaker 2:Yep. Yep. I How long did you stay in this home? About a year.
Speaker 1:What happened? You you got bored with it? You had to find something else to do?
Speaker 2:It got it got violent.
Speaker 1:She was beating on you?
Speaker 2:It got violent.
Speaker 1:Wow. See, that's the problem with our community. We don't talk about men getting beat. So we go go past that because this is very sensitive subject. Got violent.
Speaker 2:Who It got violent.
Speaker 1:Okay. And then you moved on.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:Alright. So when did you get back to the music?
Speaker 2:Like I said, I never really left it. I was ghostwriting at the time. Nowadays, that's what it's called. But I was writing for others, helping others cultivate their craft. I was helping a young man by the name of Daniel Tanooki.
Speaker 2:And he was writing pop Well, I was helping him write pop music, doing artist development with him. I had a company with a friend of mine, my best friend that passed away, called Phantom Enterprise. And yes, we was writing and trying to do the whole music thing behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:Okay. So how were you during this?
Speaker 2:1819.
Speaker 1:1819. Yep. So what was the what's the difference in American music industry in comparison to Caribbean music industry? Like, is it the same?
Speaker 2:Now or then? Then. It was always better here, right? Because life, environment, situations as far as copyrights and all the legal stuff, right? Back home, it was for the love.
Speaker 2:Like people wanted to make money clearly, but they would stand outside the studio for hours and hours and hours and hours and just freestyle, make songs, write songs in hopes that when a new rhythm dropped, somebody inside heard them outside and say, Yo, I want that song on it. You know what mean? That's how they used to bus artists back then. People standing outside all day long, every single day, just trying a song until somebody walked by, drive by, or decides to come out and pick them for that rhythm. And that rhythm can change their entire life.
Speaker 2:Because as you know, back in the '90s, it was every about ten, fifteen, 20 people on one rhythm. But because it was all about the rhythm, it was busting the sound of Jamaica versus the artists of Jamaica. You know what mean? Because Bob already did
Speaker 1:that. So. So how do you feel about American artists on Jamaican beats? Now or then? Both.
Speaker 2:Back then it was a great marriage. Sounded good. The choices everybody made was good. It showed the versatility of Jamaicans and Americans on something different. Now, it's almost, and this is my opinion, it's almost like a cry for help.
Speaker 2:It's like we have somehow allowed society and culture to change who we are and what we bring to the table. I congratulate Afrobeats. I congratulate I'm a piano. I congratulate anything that's in place of where we were, because it sounds amazing. Right?
Speaker 2:But we lost ourselves and allowed made room for others.
Speaker 1:When do you feel that Jamaica, the Caribbean music lost itself at like Roundwood era?
Speaker 2:Mid two thousands. Yeah. Mid two thousands. So that's Deshaun Paul. After Deshaun Pauls.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it just fell off. Yeah. So as an artist from Jamaica, how could you bring it back? I don't think
Speaker 2:we can bring it back. I think we can continue. Right now we're doing a lot of collaborations with Afro artists. Because the crazy part about it is, to me, Caribbean music, especially Jamaican music, knowing what Bob did going to Zimbabwe and all that stuff and bringing that sound and that sound being incorporated over in The UK and, you know what I'm saying? How our Patois and dialect and our Rastafarian culture got mixed into everybody.
Speaker 2:I think most of our sound is African descended, period, right? By the drums. And we had the steel drums, they had
Speaker 1:Well, the first good tires from Africa.
Speaker 2:You're right. I think we were the voice of Africa instead of the 35¢ a day kids that TV and media portrayed Yeah. Us to And as we were uplifting or being the face, never the voice of Africa, but the face of Africa, I think because of money, greed, and mismanagement, we have allowed ourselves to, as a sound and a culture, to be overridden by what's going on now. Because now you have trap dancehall. What is that?
Speaker 1:I don't know. You tell me. Okay. They trapping at the dancehall now.
Speaker 2:I don't we never had to add an acronym or anything to our dancehall reggae. That was it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because so Afro beats sometimes sound like Jamaican beats.
Speaker 2:No. Jamaican always had African sound.
Speaker 1:So now they're making it theirselves and trying to take it off. So they just
Speaker 2:They're now being heard. So now people are understanding that there is this sound. The five count that's always been right. So what we did was, that was our sound. The one, two, one, two.
Speaker 2:We call it one drop. There's was always the five count.
Speaker 1:So with that being said, and you saying the corruption
Speaker 2:and all that. The corruption.
Speaker 1:What'd you
Speaker 2:say? I said the the identity crisis.
Speaker 1:You know what? Identity crisis across the whole country though. Right? So do you believe because the the your country is falling, everything is falling as well? Because did it ever did did okay.
Speaker 1:At any point did Jamaica ever succeed past what they're like, they always was in some
Speaker 2:In the music? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:But how many Grammys have in awards? Does does that even mean anything to you? No. Why not?
Speaker 2:Because we're we're about reaching, right? Not on a perspective of how many records sold. Well, how many trophies we collect, right? It's more like the Bob approach, where it's how far can it reach, how many can it reach, and can it make a change? That's all we've always been.
Speaker 2:If you listen to old school reggae at to, like I said, about mid two thousands, everything was it's like a Kirk Franklin song. You know how you got gospel music, then you have Kirk Franklin?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's what reggae was to us. We always talked about either Salaciai, the most high, or God himself in every song. And every song after that was about love. I wanna be loved, nothing. You know, it's always about love, unity.
Speaker 1:Good nigga to shake that thing.
Speaker 2:We never had That came into like battling, right? With the ninja mans and the bone to kill us. That's when the
Speaker 1:So y'all went from God damn.
Speaker 2:I guess That's the difference between reggae and dance hall, right? Reggae is the love, the message. And then dance hall is about the bragging and the bossing and the, you know. The Roots reggae. Who I am and who you don't wanna mess with.
Speaker 2:That's what dancehall was. It was a way to do battle rapping or freestyle, right? That was our outlet, was dancehall. Because you had Steershaw where two artists go up there and it's super cat, you know, Shabba Ranks, they just back to back. And it was never I'm a punch you in your face.
Speaker 2:Literally, it was like, I can, off top of the dome, I'm getting it. Like a battle rap. Yeah. So where
Speaker 1:do you feel that you fit in sonically?
Speaker 2:So sonically now, because I started off with reggae. Never got into dancehall because I never
Speaker 1:Why not?
Speaker 2:Because I'm not the guy that's gonna stand up there and freestyle all day. I'm a writer. I'm not a freestyler. Then I went into gospel music, Inspirational music, let me say that, sorry. Okay, gospel music, American style or?
Speaker 2:Mixed. Always had the pot toy in it, but with, like I said, the Not Kirk Franklin, Kirk Franklin at all. Like the hip
Speaker 1:hop beats. The hybrid. So it was before the time where they got gospel rappers and right?
Speaker 2:In that same era.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. So where do you fit in now?
Speaker 2:So right now the music that we have transcended was the it's like afro dancehall. It's like a hybrid of the roots of dancehall music with afro. And that just combining the one two with the one two three four five. Putting it together making one one sound.
Speaker 1:So that's where your duo is at as well?
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Okay. The other half Woods, shouts out to Mr. Woods. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Does the
Speaker 1:Hope your hands feel better.
Speaker 2:And he's Guyanese. Well, part Guyanese, right? So he brings that element there and, you know, of course, they have their own version of Patois. I Espace Me and Alim Tingde. Right?
Speaker 1:So as a artist from The Caribbean who came to America, what hurdles did you have to cross to get to where you are?
Speaker 2:As a art say it again?
Speaker 1:As an artist coming from The Caribbean, what hurdle
Speaker 2:did you Caribbean?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Caribbean. Caribbean. Same listen, motherfucker. Okay?
Speaker 1:If I get on a cruise, I'm going to both of them places at the same time. Okay? So I don't give a damn. Okay? Potato potato.
Speaker 1:Okay?
Speaker 2:Automobile car.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I got you. Different places, different races. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Motherfucker. So correction there, sir. What hurdles did you cross coming from the state from the island of Jamaica to America? What hurdles did you cross? Just in life in general, like And in industry.
Speaker 2:So let's start with life first since that's the first portion that you mentioned. Just understanding that it's still to this day at my place in the journey that I am glad that I do have the roots that I have. And I'm glad that I still honor those roots because it keeps me grounded and keeps me humble. There's a lot of opportunities here, which that's why our parents brought us here. So I'm taking full advantage to those opportunities by, like you said, owning multiple businesses and some other stuff without saying it.
Speaker 2:Learning, accepting what others that were born here decide to digest is hard most of the times because I've seen the other side versus those that have not seen the other side. Or they have the air quote of the ghetto. The ghetto here is still paradise compared to home. The ghetto is Foam. Oh my god.
Speaker 1:Foam mattresses.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You still got a roof over your head. You still have whether it's unhealthy food, you still have food. You still have public assistance. You still have support.
Speaker 2:You got churches that can feed you. You have Infrastructure. Right, that's the word I was looking for. Back home, back then to now, I didn't even know what racism was until I came here. I didn't even know what child support was until I came here.
Speaker 2:I thought that was you supporting your child like a normal person. Didn't know
Speaker 1:what support was until you got put on it or
Speaker 2:Yeah. To be honest. Wow. Till I was asked to be put on it, but I wasn't on it because Well, damn. So It was violent.
Speaker 2:What you said mhmm. It was five
Speaker 1:13 15 year old violent relationship turned into child support? I'm all in your business. I'm just that's why you're here so I can talk to you about your business, grown ass man, going to live with somebody named mama. So what was your initial thoughts of Americans in general other than what you were saying? So you just came over here expecting us to be what, assholes or?
Speaker 2:Mm-mm. I thought it was Because all these opportunities were here, I thought everybody was happy. Because you know, in Jamaica it's funny because there's, we thought I thought, because that's what I heard, so I'm gonna say we because other people told me, there was foreign and there was
Speaker 1:New York. There was who and what?
Speaker 2:Foreign and then there was New York. Not knowing that New York isn't foreign, which is America. Mhmm. Right? So foreign was America, and then there was New York.
Speaker 1:So New York was its own country.
Speaker 2:That's what we thought. So when people say, you're going to foreign?
Speaker 1:In Jamaica. Isn't that one map? It's not a map nowhere. On the whole island, they ain't got one map.
Speaker 2:Listen, man. So they was like, if people went went when I found out that I was going to America, I was going to firing, I was like, am I going to firing or New York?
Speaker 1:You go to the 49 states. You ain't going to the whole 50. You just You North America got Canada, America, Mexico, and New York.
Speaker 2:So when I found out I was going to firing, people were just like, oh, you just like go out firing. So I was just like, oh, alright. So I got here and I'm like, People knocked on my door in the neighborhood, guys knocked on my door in the neighborhood. And they was like, You wanna come out? And I was just like, Word.
Speaker 2:So I came out, they banked me.
Speaker 1:They banked you? They robbed you?
Speaker 2:They tried to. No. They tried to fight me. Bank me.
Speaker 1:Because you was because you was foreign.
Speaker 2:Because I was Jamaican.
Speaker 1:Because you was foreign in New York. Why they tried to fucking brown me.
Speaker 2:So I had to quickly remind them.
Speaker 1:This is at thirteen because your shit was wild. Thirteen to fifteen.
Speaker 2:This was at twelve.
Speaker 1:Oh, shit. Okay. So
Speaker 2:Yeah. I had to place because at first I thought it was playing like wrestling. Oh. I'm getting slammed and there were no kicking yet. So once the slamming and all that and the pushing, I was like, okay, this is kinda like, this is an American thing.
Speaker 2:This is how they high five, I guess.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey, how you doing? Boom. And then when the first swing came and it missed me and then a punch, I was gonna say thumb, that's what we call it, hit me in the back. Oh, that's when it was on. I was like, oh, they not playing.
Speaker 2:This is an initiation. Oh, let me show them how I'm gonna initiate them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I had to bus four people up real quick.
Speaker 1:Because it's nothing because it was the paradise compared to where you came from.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely. So when I went to get the machete, that's when they
Speaker 1:all Oh, you went to get the machete? Oh yeah, absolutely. Is this the same machete that they cut New York off of the map?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Just
Speaker 1:go cut that shit off and then we'll stab everybody in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, load me. I'm a firing thing, man.
Speaker 1:What part of the city was you in?
Speaker 2:I was in Virginia.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is in VA.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, well yeah, that's different. That's a big culture shock for real. Yeah. Because you coming around slavery era, like not saying that, but you seeing plantations and you still dealing with the remnants
Speaker 2:of They're there, that's still the headquarters for the KKK. That's everywhere. They were like in Huntersville compared to being in Charlotte. That's how far they were from where I was living. But again, once I learned And then what threw me off was like, because there were African Americans that decided to initiate me in.
Speaker 2:I was like, okay, this is not normal. So then I started going to school and my mom bought me some shoes called Keds. Yeah. I was getting picked on. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm like Buddies. Yo, this is fire though.
Speaker 1:Right? The foreign country? Yeah. Yeah. In Jamaica they were
Speaker 2:They were actually new shoes with new smell. They paper stuffed in it. Yeah. Know we Nike Not hand me downs.
Speaker 1:You know, here it was labels. Oh, okay. You already know. We live in a label country.
Speaker 2:And we used used to shop at a place called Hill's, which was I knew Walmart. That. Yeah, yeah. So they didn't have skids, they had slippers. So I thought I had MC Hammer pants on and all that.
Speaker 2:Cross color, it was CrossFits or something crazy name. But I thought, I'm just happy I'm inferring. So when they try to, again, another set of guys try to jump me in the bathroom as I was taking a urine.
Speaker 1:They tried to jump before him while he was taking a urine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, telling my son, they're good at that new Jamaican dude. And then one dude was like, You Jamaican me crazy. And then they started saying some other jokes. I don't know why I remember that one, but I think that one was funny. I was like, Jamaican me?
Speaker 2:You know? And then I realized that same energy from the guys that try to jump me. So I had to do the same thing. Crack a skull on the urinal. No charges?
Speaker 2:No. Because they were bullies anyway.
Speaker 1:So after high school, what what did you do? You said you got a couple of murder cases. You got a you was fighting the mama in them at the house. Was kind of like going
Speaker 2:over there. High school.
Speaker 1:Banging heads on
Speaker 2:urinal. I went straight into the workforce.
Speaker 1:Where did you start working there?
Speaker 2:While I was in high school, my first job was Little Caesars.
Speaker 1:Pizza pizza. Yep. Delivery or you just make it?
Speaker 2:$99 every two weeks, for 25 an hour.
Speaker 1:So this is waking you up to like the America and the ant in the
Speaker 2:ant That's still money though.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, guess back in with
Speaker 2:Yeah, gas was 98¢.
Speaker 1:So this is the early nineties. Yeah. 98¢ for some gas. Milk costs more than gas.
Speaker 2:Yeah. This was right before Clinton. Right? Clinton. President before Clinton.
Speaker 2:So old daddy Bush.
Speaker 1:No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The war.
Speaker 1:Desert? Yeah. The desert bullshit. That was the new world order take over. So after high school you started working and then where did you get back into being Kurt, the the music man?
Speaker 2:During my twenties. Yeah, middle, early middle. It was never Again, it was still just writing. And then I kicked off after my best friend passed. I decided to And years went on of getting over that, I decided to create, continue Phantom Enterprise.
Speaker 2:And that's when I decided to help out Daniel and some other people and put up the money for it. But I focused on Christian artists. Because then I went to bible college and
Speaker 1:all that Oh, you was on your way to being a reverend, a pastor. You just gone for who, okay. So when did you wake up and say, I need you to go? When did you get the ghost jumped in you and say, I need to go to bible school and So were you, okay.
Speaker 2:So during my early age, teenage years, I was agnostic. Then I became atheist. Then about 21 I became that's when I on my road to Damascus, I met my savior. So what made you atheist? Because my friend died.
Speaker 1:And that caused you to not believe in the higher power and all that. And then you got saved. Yeah. And you went to church school. Bible college.
Speaker 1:So what'd you do with that? Like you just stopped? You never pursued it?
Speaker 2:No, finished it.
Speaker 1:Have you ever preached in front of people?
Speaker 2:I finished it. Got ordained, all that good stuff.
Speaker 1:So you're an ordained minister as
Speaker 2:we speak? I'm a little further than that. What are you? I'm a little further than that.
Speaker 1:Okay. You don't wanna tell me?
Speaker 2:Because I don't go by titles. So
Speaker 1:Okay. So you wasn't a Rastafarian in there like that?
Speaker 2:No. No. No. No. No.
Speaker 2:No. There's no way. Why?
Speaker 1:What's wrong with the Rastafarian ways?
Speaker 2:Without stepping on toes. Because only, I wanna say it's, I think it's 2% of Jamaicans are Rastafarian. The last time I checked. When Eilie Selassie came to Jamaica. Somehow he convinced them that he was the returned.
Speaker 1:They believed it before he got there and he just jumped on that bandwagon.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, Art of manipulation. They teach you that in Bible college as well. So they still to this day, Ali Selassie, Selassie I, Emmanuel.
Speaker 1:So that just threw you up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, he's never done nothing to prove.
Speaker 1:That he was the reincarnation of
Speaker 2:Jesus or whatever. Not. I've not one seen not a man healed or heard of anyone healed. Nothing. So confused as how they got to that point.
Speaker 2:But like I said, to each his own.
Speaker 1:So when did you link up with Woods?
Speaker 2:As I was doing my second song for my inspirational album, well, EP at the time, Woods actually the person I was recording with actually, which is Styles, Jay Styles, reached out to me because he said he had an artist that was looking for a genuine Jamaican artist. And he heard some of my stuff that I was working on at the time, unmixed, unmastered. And he was like, Yes, that's the one I want. I like the way his voice is. I like the way he writes.
Speaker 2:Bring them. So I went in, the same day he called me is the same day I went in. Did the reference. It was history after that. When he started putting out the project and started performing it, he was like, Hey, would you mind?
Speaker 2:Would you wanna? And I was like, Well, you know, I don't really do that.
Speaker 1:Why do you all like performing?
Speaker 2:No. I love performing now.
Speaker 1:But then you was
Speaker 2:Yeah. I was it wasn't my again, at the time I was very one way when it came I was really focusing on learning more about God and my my mission on earth and everything. So then
Speaker 1:you started performing with Woods. And how many so y'all been together how long now?
Speaker 2:It has to be eight, nine years that I've known him.
Speaker 1:And y'all traveled all around the world, right? Yes. And what was your favorite place that y'all performed? London. Take you back to London town.
Speaker 1:Why London?
Speaker 2:10,000 people screaming a song they never heard. That monumental. That's the Sunshine brought us out on her set and she introduced us and the beat came on. They were still in their groove. And then we said the words to the song, When we say this, y'all say that, duh duh duh.
Speaker 2:And they just boom, boom, boom. And they just been, it's memorable, man. It's every single person in the crowd. As we looked, as we watched the video over, every person was singing the words to line up.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's well, that's the theme song to this podcast. If you didn't know, now you know this is the artist who is the sound behind the intro and the outro. Well, depending on how we're looking at it. But, yes, once again, I appreciate you for allowing me to use those.
Speaker 1:Say it in the camera so they know it's okay when I put it on shit.
Speaker 2:He didn't ask.
Speaker 1:Oh, see? Alright. Okay. See how they do you? They got
Speaker 2:He he definitely asked. It's been in a couple movies and that song has really changed. And the nice part about working within royalty itself is it's the same message as Bob, right? Unity spreading the good word, right? About enjoying life, living the best life, bringing others with you to enjoy it, because life is not ours.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's not individually ours, it's collectively ours, right? So that's all our music is about on album one and album two. Just being one with the earth. No, being one with each other.
Speaker 1:Well, the earth is a part of it because without the earth, you can't be anything, right?
Speaker 2:The earth is the earth.
Speaker 1:So you don't believe being one with the earth?
Speaker 2:Oh, we're go to the whole, the universe has a say so in your life.
Speaker 1:You don't believe this?
Speaker 2:Empty space can't have control over my life.
Speaker 1:How come? If the universe is what you're once a part of.
Speaker 2:I was never a part of the universe. I dwell in the universe.
Speaker 1:Don't So so you're a resident of the universe. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay. This this is wild. So
Speaker 1:you know, because I'm one with the universe. I'd be one with it and I enjoy everything that I put into it. It comes back to you 10 times full, right?
Speaker 2:So who's bringing it back to you? Or do we go down this path right now?
Speaker 1:If you wanna go down this path
Speaker 2:Let's go ahead.
Speaker 1:Okay. So when you give to the universe. To what? Whatever you give. Your energy.
Speaker 1:You give it back, it comes back to you 10 times fold. You gotta believe in yourself and be positive and positive things that happen, right?
Speaker 2:So that sounds like the Allah approach. The arm leg leg arm head approach, three sixty, the God body. Be one with the earth. So are you Muslim?
Speaker 1:Am I? Tend to lean towards the Muslim nation.
Speaker 2:So Muslim nation of Islam five percenter.
Speaker 1:5%.
Speaker 2:Shiite?
Speaker 1:Listen, well not you. Sunni.
Speaker 2:Sunni. I studied that too by the way, when I was
Speaker 1:I'm more into that. I just feel more comfortable with it. I don't like bringing it up because when people hear Muslim, they think, Oh, he's a this, that and third or radical.
Speaker 2:But see, that's the thing. There are multiple religion. I study 75 religion, okay? There are multiple religions. So even from the whole misunderstanding between Aaron and Moses, right?
Speaker 2:When he was like, Me too hear from God, blah, blah, blah. Then he gets struck down. Okay. It was good to meet you at the time. But everybody wants to associate themselves with something and there's nothing wrong with that, right?
Speaker 2:But when you get consumed by that one thing, even though it's telling you which way to go and you ignoring it because you're so self consumed, that's what gets you. It's just like a Christian, let's throw it in there since that's what your viewers are gonna think, oh, he's just biased. No, I climbed the tree from not liking God, not understanding God, not accepting God to accepting God.
Speaker 1:That's the same way.
Speaker 2:And that search was Judaism, Buddhism, Muslim, nation Islam, five percenter, and all the branches of that. And even within the branches of apostolic, Baptist, Catholic, evangelical. Lutheran. We're not even Catholics, a whole another beast. Yeah, they're different.
Speaker 2:We all wanna be associated with something and it's a earn and a yearn that we all have, right? So it's nothing wrong with feeling like the universe, blank space, or self indulgent religion is not a bad thing. At least you believe in something bigger than you. That's the goal. Now, that's the mission.
Speaker 2:The goal is to get to that endpoint. God is not a thing, a person, or an object that you can just say, this invisible person is who I believe in. That's just who he is or who it is, right? It's not the indefinite name of, let's say him just for reference, because that's why everybody says him for the most part, except for the sexiest people.
Speaker 1:Do you believe that the creator could be a woman?
Speaker 2:I don't think it's gender based. The reason why it's in Genesis one twenty six, Him speaking to self says, now let us make man kind in our image. And granted it was only Adam at the time. Eve was already inside, right? So he would've just made another man.
Speaker 2:So there's no sex, gender, creed and all this other stuff that we keep, we're worrying about black Jesus, white Jesus, Jew Jesus. They even hung him as the wrong person. He said, King of the Jews, and he wasn't even But yeah, focus on the point at hand, love each other, because he says that in the commandments, be good to each other. How can we let people know that there is a God or higher power or a universe if we can't exemplify it ourselves?
Speaker 1:How would that happen in this world where they wanna,
Speaker 2:well, they, you know. I know what you mean. Just to give it a, identity.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Elite. When their whole job is to separate the vibe because it's easier to control the masses if they separated amongst each other fighting each other. So how can one nation come together, all the people come together as one nation?
Speaker 2:As it is, I'm gonna say this and it's not all of what I mean, right? It is easy. If we knew as, let's call ourselves slaves for the reference word, That that's what was happening to keep us divided in the beginning. And the same thing is happening now. Why do we keep, if we know, it's like knowing that the stove is hot and you still touching it.
Speaker 2:So if you know that that's what's happening, why do you still allow it to happen?
Speaker 1:It's insane. The repeating
Speaker 2:the So same if you remove yourself out of the equation, because imagine if I'm taking care of you, In whatever shape, form of fashion that is humane. If I'm taking care of you and you're doing the same thing to me, I don't have to worry about me no more. Cause not only I don't have to worry about me no more. I have, what, eight, roughly 8,000,000,000 people taking care of one me. One me is trying to take care of one you, but others are attached to me that's gonna take it.
Speaker 2:It's more in numbers. Right? So me taking care of me and me being selfish, that's like one for one. If me dies, all of me is done. But if all of you guys are in return doing for me, if one fall away as we know people die like a mother or a father or a sister or a brother or whatever, there's still 7,900,000,000 people accountable for you.
Speaker 2:So why not live off that logic? If I ask 7,100,000,000, right? I mean, 7,900,000,000, excluding myself to make the 8,000,000,000. And I know it's nine, nine, nine, but we're not gonna go down numbers like that, but 7.9. Person gave me 1¢.
Speaker 2:I'd be a millionaire. I'd be a billionaire.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But they're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying versus you working forty hours a week, making a thousand dollars, dollars 2,000. Right? If one person out of 7,900,000,000 people gave you a penny or a dollar or a dime, doesn't matter is my point. You're gonna be more well off. So if we focus on each other on that value, then we don't have to worry about us.
Speaker 2:It's always, I gotta make sure I'm self made, I'm a boss, I'm this, that, and the third, dah, dah, dah. Nobody's a boss if they have employees. Nobody's a boss if they have customers. You can't pay yourself. You need others, right?
Speaker 2:Everything revolves points right back to you need others. So I don't
Speaker 1:know why we still Because it's the currency chain, which is created to separate us as well.
Speaker 2:But Bob Marley warned us in the early stage that we are in mental slavery and only us can free our minds. That's the answer.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But it's hard to do when everybody's listening to what they're putting out and digesting, like you said earlier.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But it's just like drinking a little bit of water. You won't have to go to the bathroom immediately, right? It takes for you to drink this whole thing and feel your bladder. We can take a little bit of social media.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that was fun. I'm a pass it to you. We laugh, we pass it, we pass it, and we're good. Go to the next thing. One of the challenges I gave myself along with my children is do something different every single day.
Speaker 2:If every morning you wake up at 07:01 and fifty six seconds, wake up at 07:01 and fifty two seconds and brush your teeth a different way, do something different so you don't get caught in the monotony of repetition. And complacency. Life is simple if you pay attention to life. Life is fun if you enjoy it. Life is bad if you look at it that way.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's all up to you.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's true. It's all about what you A lot of people don't know, they don't see the truth and they just go with what's given and that's not
Speaker 2:Or it's easier to go with what's given because everybody say, everybody doing this, everybody wears that. You wanna fit in instead of being unique in finding your own uniqueness. See, that's
Speaker 1:what I learned a lot about.
Speaker 2:But there's nothing new. There's nothing to be unique for. Enjoy that you like to laugh. I can laugh too. Enjoy that you like to wear your pants halfway down your butt.
Speaker 2:I can do that too. Enjoy that you like to kiss somebody. It all. It's all there for you to enjoy. Christ died so we may have life and have it more abundantly.
Speaker 2:So we don't have to worry about what the Pharisees and Sadducees talk about or the high priest and none of that. We can sip wine at the wedding, at the feast. But don't keep drinking too much. You know the end result. Why are you getting drunk and then complain about, well, I feel like crap.
Speaker 1:Because you're overindulged. Yeah. So what do you enjoy now?
Speaker 2:For me, I enjoy peace. I enjoy Netflixing and chilling. I enjoy help still to this day always have and probably always will helping others.
Speaker 1:Well, there's something to enjoy because reach one, teach one and do what they say.
Speaker 2:Because when you're happy, I'm happy, man. You know what I mean? If you're making millions, I'm making millions too. I may not be tangibly touching it and it's going into my account, but I invested in you. So my investment multiplied.
Speaker 1:Or to pass it on to the next one. That's it. So you got so let's get back to your that was a wonderful moment of everything we learned about the universe. We learned about God. We learned about everything and we appreciate you Kurt for allowing us to learn these things.
Speaker 2:You wanted to talk, sir.
Speaker 1:For the next episode of NetGeo. Oh, shit. Kurt, the creator. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So so when did you get into the hair business? The
Speaker 2:So I beauty world? I used to go to a I don't know if I probably not still open. I hope that they are, but I'm probably Anyway, it's a barbershop named Community Barbershop. And I used to watch this guy named Ham. And that man could cut and eat chicken at the same time.
Speaker 2:But you can never get in his chair because he was the best, right? Older gentlemen too. Decided to go to that Well, I asked my parents, can I go to that barbershop one day for first day of school, haircut? And they slid me in and I asked for a high top fade. That's not what I got.
Speaker 2:It wasn't from ham, but that's not what I got. And when I got home, like I saw it in the mirror. You were satisfied. Not you. But I was just like, you know, you can't put it back.
Speaker 2:Units weren't out then. Right?
Speaker 1:Oh, so you was missing something?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like
Speaker 1:Almost gonna
Speaker 2:uptown or pee wee or whatever people may call it now. I was all this was bald. Oh. And then it was just hair.
Speaker 1:So you was looking like Billy Banks.
Speaker 2:My god. I was looking crazy. Tybo. So I said from that day I was like, I'll never do this again. So I got a rubber band.
Speaker 2:When it grew out, I got a rubber band put around my head and I bought some My mom bought me some trimmers or clippers from heels. And I just went up to the line. Back then, fades weren't important. We used call them chili bowls. Had me a perfect chili bowl.
Speaker 2:It's like, man, dude, how did you get your bowl so tight? So I was just like, oh, I'm in there. Right? There weren't no adjustables or nothing. Was straight skin.
Speaker 2:Right. So then Kid and Play came out and then Fades, was it Play, the dark skinned one? Yeah. He started killing the fades.
Speaker 1:With the partners.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then Big Daddy Kane and Kwame. So then fades, so I started, I had an opportunity to get into that, I guess, industry when it was just a chili bowl. So I got to learn how to fade like
Speaker 1:So you moved with the moves?
Speaker 2:So you
Speaker 1:moved as the
Speaker 2:hair move? Yeah, because if you did a bad fade, you didn't have nothing to gauge it by besides play. And play was, they were kidding play. They were Kwame, they were top notch. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They were movie making. Right. So at the time it didn't matter. And I was already getting laughed at by my kids anyway, my skateboard.
Speaker 1:So who give a damn about
Speaker 2:your head type? I didn't give a damn.
Speaker 1:You know, the Jamaican came in here with that bowl cutting and them buddies on jumping.
Speaker 2:So, yeah. So that's when I got into it around 14, 15. And then I would my second oldest brother let me experiment with his head. So that was the first non you? Yep.
Speaker 2:And then this guy named Boo Man from school used to let me experiment on him. And this white guy named Jay from the neighborhood was like, I don't care about hair, it'll grow back. So that was my first straight hair that I cut.
Speaker 1:And what's the difference between coarse hair and non coarse hair? Curly hair and straight? Yeah. What's the difference between people of color hair and
Speaker 2:non- Curly hair has different patterns and different grades. Straight hair has licks, which is cow licks, which we do too. Theirs will spin on you in a minute and cause whole dynamic on the hair. Mid cut. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Mid cut. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So what was the When did you What was the worst cut you gave?
Speaker 2:My first one on my brother. And how did he take it? He was like, Just keep practicing. Very patient. And he was like, Keep the same one that invested in me and my music.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was just like, Keep trying. He don't care about his hair at all. So he was just like, he expected it, right? So he was just like, Don't worry, man, keep trying. He was always my motivator to this day.
Speaker 1:Did you ever work out of a barbershop? Then? No. Just in general, like?
Speaker 2:No, then no. And even when I became a professional barber, no. So you went
Speaker 1:from barber school to your
Speaker 2:own business? Yeah. My business was up and running halfway through barber school. Congratulations. Thank
Speaker 1:you. And that's rare because most people coming from the chair to their own business.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Even state board was like, this doesn't happen. Nobody like plans three months after being in school and open up a shop during that time. Because first of all, you have to have a license in North Carolina. You have to have a licensed person in there at all times with you while you're an apprentice or while you're on a work permit, which I did.
Speaker 2:I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So what made you just jump like that to say, you know what, I'm just gonna go all in.
Speaker 2:Well, I always knew I was different, right? And I'm OCD and I like things a certain way. I'm not bossy or none of that. I just like it a certain way. And I stay in my bubble with my certain way and stay out of people's way until they step in my way.
Speaker 1:So what does the music industry give you knowledge in as far as the business of hair?
Speaker 2:Still entertaining people. How are you entertaining somebody with a haircut? Conversation. I like to not be the dull light bulb in the room. So I always make sure that I have a little bit of knowledge, enough knowledge on golf, baseball, the latest trend, just anything people like to talk about.
Speaker 2:But those things that I don't know, I will say, You know what? Tell me about it. I don't know that. I'm always willing to learn. And that, again, opens up a conversation.
Speaker 2:So they have their opportunity to kinda, Oh, I get to teach. And then of course, I'm gonna research it because I don't wanna chew that up and it's spewed out to somebody else and it's pure lies or false information. Let's say that. And then they're like, you're
Speaker 1:an idiot. Hey, I'm never coming to this guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's an idiot.
Speaker 1:No. So how you choose the people that you have in your shop? Do you just go off their word or do you How do you say
Speaker 2:As far as
Speaker 1:The beauticians, the other barbers?
Speaker 2:My 10 ninety niners? Yes. It's based off of So I built that shop to present opportunities for those that don't have the, I guess, concern to have their own shop, or they want to learn how to have their own shop. So that's based off of that. So it's either you're far left or far right.
Speaker 2:If you're somebody that's only there for a moment and to like a limited time to do your own thing, I usually tend not to lean that way. Because either you're there, and I know it sounds contradict, but some people come to you for six months and dip. I want you at least there for two years and I'll help you get your next place. And the two years, of course, it helps me. So let's make that clear.
Speaker 2:It helps me because it's bufren, right? Because I don't do commission. I don't believe in taking, yeah, I don't believe
Speaker 1:in commission. So some people go for commission?
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely. I can't do that.
Speaker 1:Why you don't wanna
Speaker 2:do that? Because if you work hard, you get what you get and I just, whatever my set amount is, just give me mine so you can eat as much as you want instead of me keep eating off of it. And I know that's great business practice, right? But I didn't build that for that. I wanna keep the place open and I wanna be able to do certain things to it.
Speaker 2:And of course pay a bill or two. Right? So I set a certain limit. And then once that limit is hit, which is very low, very low, they get to eat. So is there some places that get commission and friend?
Speaker 2:They're going to that right now. I heard they're going to that right now. That's crazy. And most boo friend from what I heard is like sixtyforty. 60 the owner's way, 40 the person's way.
Speaker 2:What?
Speaker 1:The people is
Speaker 2:Granted they're supplying towels or astringent or neck strips, or those things are pennies on the dollar compared to somebody. And even those that have flipped it to the sixtyforty, the barbers way, you might as well say fiftyfifty.
Speaker 1:Because the worker isn't really getting no income off.
Speaker 2:You're not a boss at that point. You're not an entrepreneur at that point. You're an employee.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Might as well just got a job.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Does that person give you health benefits? Does that barbershop? Most of them don't. Does that barbershop give you paid vacation?
Speaker 2:Not three days, not five days. I'm talking about cumulative days, like a real job gets you up to a month and you're fully paid. That's not gonna
Speaker 1:happen. Why eat like that? Right. That's why there's a lot of barber owner fights and arguments.
Speaker 2:And that's why barbers cut out their garages. Instead of what it was intended as a community, they'll cut out their garages or they'll go get their own individual suite. Some of it's for creative control and some of it is because they just don't wanna deal with the politics. They wanna come and go as they please and this and a third. People in my shop, they all have a key.
Speaker 2:This is your business. How you do here determines how you would do outside. So if you think that coming when you want to disappointing clients, getting bad reviews, that's how you gonna run it. And I'll let you sit in it. Some people are like, oh man, it'll damage your name.
Speaker 1:No, because it's them.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, that's what Google say, right? But this is a training ground for those that want to be entrepreneurs or those that just wanna just pay that simple, cheap boo friend and enjoy life to the max.
Speaker 1:So what's the end game with your Tell them the name of you.
Speaker 2:First Flight Barber and Styling, 768 Tavola Road, Charlotte, North Carolina, 28207.
Speaker 1:People are just loving the way that you just brand that off this
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1:People are just blushing right now.
Speaker 2:And by the way, it's at first flight barbers with an s, not a z.
Speaker 1:And you can make your appointment online. I'm not okay. I am a client.
Speaker 2:Yes. He is definitely for years. He's definitely been a client.
Speaker 1:Let's get it. So what's the endgame?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm I'm structured as a franchise. So I've been offered three buyouts since I've been opening six years. Pandemic didn't affect because that's not my only job. So that's the goal is to, my goal is those that again, come and do the two year, let's call it internship.
Speaker 1:I'll put in a master.
Speaker 2:Right. And even when you open your own, I don't want sixtyforty.
Speaker 1:If they was go out and do their own, you could still get some money off of them?
Speaker 2:If they're franchising with me, I just want eightytwenty. 80 your way, 20 mine. And the 20 is just so you can use my name and all my promos. Because we all, even in my shop now, we all have the same cards. We all wear, as you know, aprons or anything, a t shirt that has First Flight on it, the brand.
Speaker 2:Just like if you went to sports clips or anybody else, Walmart, Target, you see that vest, that red vest with the bull's eye, Target on the back, or the blue vest.
Speaker 1:So your end game is to franchise out your company.
Speaker 2:And again, it's not to become And I know entrepreneurs wanna punch me for saying this. It's not to become a millionaire. It's to provide accessibility for those that have a passion for the craft and wanna expound on it. That's it.
Speaker 1:Well, before we get out of here, we're about to get about of here. And I do appreciate your time. Kurt from foreign.
Speaker 2:From Yard. Yeah. He from
Speaker 1:the Yard and he came to New York was next to the foreign, then he went foreign. Anyway, the name of the show is called Unqualified Qualifications. At what point in your music, hairstyling career did you feel qualified but the rest of the world thought that you was unqualified?
Speaker 2:You gotta give me one or the other.
Speaker 1:You pick it.
Speaker 2:Know what I'm saying? The hair or the music. Even though I do both, right?
Speaker 1:Just say one from both.
Speaker 2:At what point did I feel unqualified according to?
Speaker 1:When you felt qualified, but everybody else said, you know what? You're not it.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's To be honest, and this sound generic, but all the time. Like I don't do what I don't feel like I can do. I don't put forth any effort in things that I'm not good at or is not for me. So usually, just like when I open up the shop, to give you an example, everybody's like, Why you put it on the South Side? And it's not on the edge of the street where people can see it and this, that, and a third, but yet still our clientele are millionaires and billionaires.
Speaker 2:They don't wanna be seen on the street. They're pro athletes. They're weathermen. They're pilots. We have middle class Americans and foreigners and all that.
Speaker 2:We have everything because it's a big party in there, We got braiders, we have locticians, we have barbers, we have facials, we have it all, right? But they like the fact that they can come anytime.
Speaker 1:And not be seen.
Speaker 2:And not be seen or harassed. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, this is true because you wouldn't know where it is unless you knew where it was.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Speakeasy barbershop.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You gotta knock on the door twice, kick the door and all that.
Speaker 2:And that's why we got the zombie trap door. When apocalypse come, come the first flight. Get your haircut and
Speaker 1:fight the zombies. Everybody outside dying. Yep. Your fade will be right. I got a sexy lifesaving fade.
Speaker 1:Alright. So give everybody your socials and let them know where they could get in contact with you for everything that you're doing.
Speaker 2:So for the barbershop, you can do first flight barbers, f I r s t f l I g h t b a r b r s. That's on Instagram. I don't do the face of books anymore. That's really where we are right there. And then for music, royalty, r a w a l l t y.
Speaker 2:That's r a w a l l t y on every platform.
Speaker 1:Lineup.
Speaker 2:Every movie, we everywhere.
Speaker 1:Game time. Let's get it. And I'd like to appreciate everybody for listening to unqualified qualifications. Yep. Got nervous.
Speaker 2:This was a clown.
Speaker 1:Alright. I'm comedian V Mac, and this is Kurt. Have a wonderful day. Be great.
Speaker 2:Thank you.